ES short term trading 1-26-11

First, a quick, but important note. Ive been encouraged with all the views on this thread lately, but remember the reason i started it... so we can all learn from each other! Please dont be afraid to post trades, as long as the REASONING is also presented. Look, honestly, whether you make a good or bad call, or trade, really doesnt matter. We are more interested in the reasons and methods! Thats how we learn from each other!... now i'll stick my neck out first! ... So far the 'alternate' scenerio i presented on the weekend preview appears to be in force. (marginal new highs coming, then a big down turn!). Whether it turns out to be accurate is too soon to tell. I expect today to be somewhat boring sideways mish-mash (and difficult to trade beyond small scalps) untill the fed announcement at 2:15. As you may know, i base my 'alternate ' scenerio view mostly on seasonals (which turn positive for the rest of the week now, and historical considerations, for example, from Frank Hogelucht:the market "was trading at a higher level the session immediately following the State of the Union Addresses on 17 out of 20 occurrences (thereof the last 13). Chances for an +/- 1.0% change two sessions later (in this event on Wednesday, January 26) are 9 : 1 (9 occurrences with a 1.0%+ up-move, but only 1 occurrence with a -1.0%+ loss), and downside potential was regularly limited (except in 1931) over the course of the then following four sessions (the remainder of this week)." Note, my .line in the sand around 1265 or so ,to confirm a downtrend was never violated, so price action, for me is still bullish. However, i cant emphasise enough, that i expect a decent down turn very soon, for all the resons on the weekend preview!

thanks Kool....My goal, one of many, is to take smaller losses. So while I'm happy to be making $$$$ , I'm more happy to be following the goals and hopefully on the path to better trading


Now if they can get a flush into 91.50 or so I'd like to take one more off and hold two

critical now as single prints filling in and we are at 50% of RTH range..

Ive already said why 1292.00 bare bones minimum is a target.. one min chart argues for 1290.50(at least)using initial move from 1296.00 to 1292.75 gives 1.618=1290.25-50 and 2.618 around 1287.25-50. On a normal day i would have stayed in my 1285.25 short but going a couple ticks above (which is an indication of higher prices to come later) freaked me. Im too bullish because of seasonals, etc.

I took the trade because it bounced back from 1296.00 ( 1296.25 was 01/19/11's high) The 10min has a 1.618% at 1296.25 (missed by 0.25) with the 60m stoch in oversold, and the daily chart has a time fib. for today. So I gave it a shot.

Will see, ES trading 1291.75 @ 11:26

Originally posted by BruceM

Did you take the trade because it was below the overnight high or was there another reason...? I guess my real question is that I'm wondering what your particular fade is based on in case I missed an area ...

Lets hope it keeps going for us all...I'm not sure they are gonna make this quick and easy for us but hope they do...single prints come into play down into the 91.50 area so 91.50 - 92.25 is a key area for me to see the next close point

Originally posted by WS

great work guy's.

I think that today is the start of the down trend. For that the ES will need to stay below 1296.25 and will be a nice down trend for at list few days. I'm short at 1294.75 with stp at 1296.50. Looking for a retest of YD high and possibly PvP.

Will see if it give it to us. (I may pull out before the F's announcement)

ES trading 1293.00 11:01

Originally posted by BruceM

selling 93.50 now....will add near O/N high...target is open print ...will watch that 10:30 close

Moved stp to B.E.
ES trading 1291.75 @ 11:29

I will not be following up for some time this am.

Originally posted by WS

I took the trade because it bounced back from 1296.00 ( 1296.25 was 01/19/11's high) The 10min has a 1.618% at 1296.25 (missed by 0.25) with the 60m stoch in oversold, and the daily chart has a time fib. for today. So I gave it a shot.

Will see, ES trading 1291.75 @ 11:26

Originally posted by BruceM

Did you take the trade because it was below the overnight high or was there another reason...? I guess my real question is that I'm wondering what your particular fade is based on in case I missed an area ...

Lets hope it keeps going for us all...I'm not sure they are gonna make this quick and easy for us but hope they do...single prints come into play down into the 91.50 area so 91.50 - 92.25 is a key area for me to see the next close point

Originally posted by WS

great work guy's.

I think that today is the start of the down trend. For that the ES will need to stay below 1296.25 and will be a nice down trend for at list few days. I'm short at 1294.75 with stp at 1296.50. Looking for a retest of YD high and possibly PvP.

Will see if it give it to us. (I may pull out before the F's announcement)

ES trading 1293.00 11:01

Originally posted by BruceM

selling 93.50 now....will add near O/N high...target is open print ...will watch that 10:30 close

i have a buy (one only) at 1290.50...tho i suspect closer to 1287.25 before all is said and done....

took one more off at 91.25 as opening range high is here.....last contract will be managed by the 30 minute closes......and a 12 noon close above 92.50 will be my exit if it happens..just never sure when inside the range like this near the middle of the range

fwiw.. using candle bodies(high close to high close) would indicate a short term low coming on this 5 min bar which starts now...but we'll see

Here is the chart with 30 min closes...two lower closes from the high...can we get a third?

Originally posted by BruceM

for anyone who likes the 30 minute close idea this is probably a most important post...

By understanding what a trend trader would look for us faders can understand what we DON'T want to see on our trades.

I don't have time for a chart now but a trend trader would like the closes to keep getting higher. In relation to today they would be looking at the close outside of Yesterdays RTH first, then the close outside the Overnight, and then the close outside the 60 minute high and last weeks RTH high. What we want to see and come to expect as faders are reversals from those closes. And the "filling" in of the air pockets and single prints on the 30 minute and 5 minute time frames.

As I type we have closed back below the O/N high and the 60 minute high so that in theory is good for us shorts. Obviously we could get another reversal up on a close basis too.

So it is not perfect.

Let he whose method is without losses cast the first stone...

Don't worry, no preaching today...I'll spare you all that babble!

Bingo!.. i am outsmarting myself again today! i had my order right at 1290.50 cause i was hoping for a 1 or 2 tick overshoot to indicate she wants 1287 later... sheese!.. missed my entry by one tick. and i really want to be long the rest of this week... watching... and whining! lol

eventually they decide that they have had enough of jerking it back and forth through the pre fed price...today it's 94.25.....and just keep moving it without returning...I don't want to get caught on the wrong side of that final move away from there

If I had to pick a direction it would be down but that is really only due to some minor weakness in NQ...not tradeable for me

they still can't get that close above 60 minute high....interesting so far