Easy Emini Trade

If are contemplating becoming an ES trader, or are currently struggling/undisciplined, I whole-heartedly recommend Trisha Oligivie's e-book course. It is simple, conservative and will produce profits if followed exactly as taught.

In a business where most vendors are selling worthless junk for a high price, she is offering a value service for peanuts. If you are brand new to trading, I'd also recommend you attend her chat room where she teaches while trading her own cash.

Thanks Marker - I too have bought the e-mini book and have tested her Keltner Channel trades. They seem to work most of the time but you have to be very quick getting in and out. have you or anybody else also subscribed to JPJ Trading Room. I would like to get some feedback on that as well. Thx

Originally posted by MassiveCashTeam

Okay, here is my take.
For one, I too have been suckered (or scammed) by numerous vendors. Here are the systems that I have bought and my brief take on them:

* ViperTradingStrategies - trades based on breakout methods. they mainly view the 6E/6B/DX charts. If DX goes up or down, the 6E/6B should go the opposite (most times). Expensive monthly fee IMHO for what you get. They do have many webinars (included in fee) throughout the week and saturdays. You can hit the home run by snagging $500-$1000 (1 or 2 contracts), but be aware, you must have the stomach to endure a huge draw down in the midst of the trade or a huge stop out ($200-$300). There are many posts on this system in this forum that has more details. Tried it, done it, not for me. Not learning at all.

* PaintBarFactory - awesome indicators. Thats it, awesome indicators. BUT, there is no real trading plan/system. You just need to use them and do what you want with them. This would be an awesome site if they had a trade room using other indicators such as pivots/ support/resistance/fibs ect, and teach you how to trade with them....expensive indicators (close to $2k), but missing the live learning tutor part on this site. I bought it, now collecting dust.

* Channel-Trading - The moderator is "Huddy." He sounds honest and seems to trade profitable with the market profile charts. But thats it, I think he is new to creating a site and teaching. He doesnt have a set trading plan, or goal or anything. You just sign up for his room ($79.99/mt, not bad at all), but you need to pick his brain on his trading plan. If your new, you will be confused and frustrated. Did it for one month, done, not for me. I will not pay for months and months to figure out his plan. He needs to have some sort of plan or ebook describing what he looks for etc.....

* EminiAddict - Dave Hasley, what can I say, an awesome, honest, helpful trader. He will not call out trades, he teaches his fibs technique. If you ask questions and listen carefully, you will know when he is in a trade or not. He has many video tutorials, webinars, trading plan (the whole works) on his membership site. If you want to learn fibs, this is pretty good for the money. $29.99/month. Pretty good site for the experienced trader. For a newbee, can be rewarding, you just need time to learn the fibs with the intra day and long term charts. No complaints here.

* EotProLive - Moderator is Bill. This is just another expensive black box set of indicators. You just need to take the trade when the indicator pops up. Over $300/mt. In the room, he talks nonsense about life and other topics other than the market it self. He does this because he cant really discuss what set up he is waiting for because its a blackbox set of indicators. He will talk about his cars, lunch, etc, then "okay, here is a trade going long." No rhyme or reason why the trade triggered (cause its all black box). Not for me, waste of money and not learning for your self.

* EminiJunkie - His name is Matt "EJ." Another awesome site. If your a beginner or experienced, you can learn how to trade fibs very easily with "EJ." He is a strong teacher. If you ask a question or comment on something, be prepared and have thick skin if your wrong, he will teach you (set you in your place) the correct way. For $69.99, no complaints. This is my #1 site that I would recommend to my friends. His end or day trading results on youtube are true. If you take every single trading plan trade, your results should be similar to his. What I like about his trading plan and method is that trades are entered and exited on the exact tick that is known ahead of time. In the room, you then learn how to trade with filters and dont have to take every single trading plan trade if you dont want. This is where the learning begins. eminijunkie is worth the monthly fee for his teaching on fibs.

* easyeminitrade - I just bought the eBook, couldnt resist with all the positive feedback on the net and it only costs $49.99 one time. And these are not blackbox indicators. She uses the same indicators that are avail on most platforms. I just got it 2 days ago and traded in sim on friday. so far so good. Trisha has replied to all my emails in a timely fashion and her recorded webinars does teach you how to use her system. Seems like a safe system to use. I will join her free 3-day trial trading room starting monday. If I choose to continue, I think she charges $100/mt. Her live room is monday thru thursday (no fridays). I will let you know my feelings on her trade room next week. I am thinking it will be all good per all the positive feedback here on this forum, wish me luck.

--> I have been searching for a long time on a live trading room/system that I am comfortable with and can learn as well. I need a system that trades not on a set of blackbox indicators. Why? think about this, what if that black box vendor falls off the face of earth, then what are you going to do? you then start from scratch and re-learn some other system. This is not the way to go. EminiAddict, EminiJunkie, and EasyEminiTrade trades based on common principles and indicators. Once you really learn to trade with these, you can trade on your own and not have to rely on the vendor hoping they stay in business forever.

Hope this helps everyone, just trying to give back, because I have been through it all, blown my account with scam vendors. Now I have finally found a few sites that are worth paying for. With these few sites, you can eventually trade on your own and not have to depend of some secret indicator and hoping that the vendor will be there tomorrow.

And no, I am not affiliated with any of these sites I wrote about. I know this is my first posting, but I needed to start somewhere...later....

Oh Yeah, I forgot, the biggest scam I forgot:

* DayTradeToWin - His name is "JP" Jen Paul. I paid $600 for his eBook. He trades based on the breakout of the market open time frame. HUGE stop loss, initial stop is about 5-6 points just to gain profit targets of 1-4 points. Do the math, your account will be blown to little tiny pieces in no time flat. Even in his own forum for his members, there are many customers that complain about JP with his lack of customer service and help. If he replies, he will tell you to go to the forum and look for help on what others have done. Meaning there are members that tweeked his plan to make it better. Why would I pay for his system and he turns around and tells me to find some kind of tweek to make it work. That is BS. And when he does show up to the forum, sometimes he is missing for weeks and weeks. He uses the same old excuses, "sorry, I went away for the weekend to do another seminar." Yeah, another scam snake oil seminar. And he also suggest that if you are not having success with the ATO eBook system, then pay me a monthly fee for another system called the Atlas Line. What a hook! He just created anew site. The old site had a performance page that lists monthly profits of $10k-$30k based on 20 contracts. He thinks we are stupid, do the math again. $10k-$30k divided by 20 contracts. The real monthly potential profit performance is not worth the initial 5-6 ES points on 1 contract. SCAM! Stay away. He also increased his eBook price to $997.00 (from $597) He got so sick and tired of me, he banned me from the forum. I should request a refund since the forum was included in the cost that I paid for his eBook. If he doesnt refund my money, I will report him to the FTC. Stay away!

Ya know, with my own experience of many, many trading courses, mentors and vendors promoting their techniques, systems etc., I find this posting to be a breath of fresh air in a way. The summation in my mind is simply exposure to a variety of trading strategeries and techniques that are different prisms through which a trader experiences the market in real time observation and trading.

And the end result is that most who succeed, at least to the point of being semi-consistently profitable, have picked up info that's available on many sites (like this one and others) until things click into place enough SIMPLY THROUGH REAL EXPERIENCE to feel comfortable engaging/trading the market.

The problem is that virtually all vendors charge way too much and offer way too little in the way of REAL trading success or methods ... knowing that what they're promoting is not a successful method alone as it is presented ... since they are not profitable themselves.

It's mostly a predator and prey environment and interaction. These days, there's pretty much enough free education and interaction available on the web ... that when paired with time/experience watching the market action ... is all one needs.

The thousands or tens of thousands of dollars spent on courses work more effectively when used as trading capital trading with information gleaned from mypivots and other similar sites where there's interaction with other REAL traders that bang it out every day and where you see their success described and posted. This is the real path of trader education, something authentic. I would offer Bruce up as an example of that kind of mentor/educator who trades and shares ... only looking for mutual sharing and interaction.

When I see a vendor providing verified trading results and some from their students ... it would open my mind to their "program" as offering something of potential REAL value. But only after vetting them fully.

Thanks for the post(s).

MM

gold buf, do you have the link for JPJ ?

Originally posted by golf_buf

Thanks Marker - I too have bought the e-mini book and have tested her Keltner Channel trades. They seem to work most of the time but you have to be very quick getting in and out. have you or anybody else also subscribed to JPJ Trading Room. I would like to get some feedback on that as well. Thx

Originally posted by MassiveCashTeam

Okay, here is my take.
For one, I too have been suckered (or scammed) by numerous vendors. Here are the systems that I have bought and my brief take on them:

* ViperTradingStrategies - trades based on breakout methods. they mainly view the 6E/6B/DX charts. If DX goes up or down, the 6E/6B should go the opposite (most times). Expensive monthly fee IMHO for what you get. They do have many webinars (included in fee) throughout the week and saturdays. You can hit the home run by snagging $500-$1000 (1 or 2 contracts), but be aware, you must have the stomach to endure a huge draw down in the midst of the trade or a huge stop out ($200-$300). There are many posts on this system in this forum that has more details. Tried it, done it, not for me. Not learning at all.

* PaintBarFactory - awesome indicators. Thats it, awesome indicators. BUT, there is no real trading plan/system. You just need to use them and do what you want with them. This would be an awesome site if they had a trade room using other indicators such as pivots/ support/resistance/fibs ect, and teach you how to trade with them....expensive indicators (close to $2k), but missing the live learning tutor part on this site. I bought it, now collecting dust.

* Channel-Trading - The moderator is "Huddy." He sounds honest and seems to trade profitable with the market profile charts. But thats it, I think he is new to creating a site and teaching. He doesnt have a set trading plan, or goal or anything. You just sign up for his room ($79.99/mt, not bad at all), but you need to pick his brain on his trading plan. If your new, you will be confused and frustrated. Did it for one month, done, not for me. I will not pay for months and months to figure out his plan. He needs to have some sort of plan or ebook describing what he looks for etc.....

* EminiAddict - Dave Hasley, what can I say, an awesome, honest, helpful trader. He will not call out trades, he teaches his fibs technique. If you ask questions and listen carefully, you will know when he is in a trade or not. He has many video tutorials, webinars, trading plan (the whole works) on his membership site. If you want to learn fibs, this is pretty good for the money. $29.99/month. Pretty good site for the experienced trader. For a newbee, can be rewarding, you just need time to learn the fibs with the intra day and long term charts. No complaints here.

* EotProLive - Moderator is Bill. This is just another expensive black box set of indicators. You just need to take the trade when the indicator pops up. Over $300/mt. In the room, he talks nonsense about life and other topics other than the market it self. He does this because he cant really discuss what set up he is waiting for because its a blackbox set of indicators. He will talk about his cars, lunch, etc, then "okay, here is a trade going long." No rhyme or reason why the trade triggered (cause its all black box). Not for me, waste of money and not learning for your self.

* EminiJunkie - His name is Matt "EJ." Another awesome site. If your a beginner or experienced, you can learn how to trade fibs very easily with "EJ." He is a strong teacher. If you ask a question or comment on something, be prepared and have thick skin if your wrong, he will teach you (set you in your place) the correct way. For $69.99, no complaints. This is my #1 site that I would recommend to my friends. His end or day trading results on youtube are true. If you take every single trading plan trade, your results should be similar to his. What I like about his trading plan and method is that trades are entered and exited on the exact tick that is known ahead of time. In the room, you then learn how to trade with filters and dont have to take every single trading plan trade if you dont want. This is where the learning begins. eminijunkie is worth the monthly fee for his teaching on fibs.

* easyeminitrade - I just bought the eBook, couldnt resist with all the positive feedback on the net and it only costs $49.99 one time. And these are not blackbox indicators. She uses the same indicators that are avail on most platforms. I just got it 2 days ago and traded in sim on friday. so far so good. Trisha has replied to all my emails in a timely fashion and her recorded webinars does teach you how to use her system. Seems like a safe system to use. I will join her free 3-day trial trading room starting monday. If I choose to continue, I think she charges $100/mt. Her live room is monday thru thursday (no fridays). I will let you know my feelings on her trade room next week. I am thinking it will be all good per all the positive feedback here on this forum, wish me luck.

--> I have been searching for a long time on a live trading room/system that I am comfortable with and can learn as well. I need a system that trades not on a set of blackbox indicators. Why? think about this, what if that black box vendor falls off the face of earth, then what are you going to do? you then start from scratch and re-learn some other system. This is not the way to go. EminiAddict, EminiJunkie, and EasyEminiTrade trades based on common principles and indicators. Once you really learn to trade with these, you can trade on your own and not have to rely on the vendor hoping they stay in business forever.

Hope this helps everyone, just trying to give back, because I have been through it all, blown my account with scam vendors. Now I have finally found a few sites that are worth paying for. With these few sites, you can eventually trade on your own and not have to depend of some secret indicator and hoping that the vendor will be there tomorrow.

And no, I am not affiliated with any of these sites I wrote about. I know this is my first posting, but I needed to start somewhere...later....

Golf-Buf,

Saw the JPJ Trading site, looks like its about $400/mth for a market-profile system. I too would like to learn the market profile system, but yet to find a good one. The only one I have experienced is Channel-Trading.com

Seems like both these rooms enter trades and holding for some time to capture the longer potential intra day range. I dont know if I have a large enough account to trade like this. It could be a safer way to trade as oppose to scalping a few tics or points here and there, but yet to find a market profile trading site that I am comfortable with.

But $400/mth, yikes....but if u can make money, then that $400 is peanuts.....

And I'm hoping/trusting that these posts commenting on vendors are not, nor devolve into, any self-interest of promoting a vendor beyond REAL experience and documentation as I referred to. (btw, never end a sentence with a preposition such as "to")

Better grammar: "...experience and documentation to which I referred."

And on that note I'd like to toss out the request to any and all ... which educator/vendor provides documented trading results that's definitely authentic ... something of at least 6 months and current.

That should be required in any industry before paying for a good or service, right?

Great request, but I don't think there is an educator/vendor that does provide documented results but one. And this trading room, is not for me per the reasons I stated in my original post about my experience with a few trading rooms.

This is EOTProLive, when in the live trading room, upon request, he immediately shows several NinjaTrader performance profit graphs (daily, weekly, monthly etc). He is not shy in pointing out his daily/weekly losses. Overall, he (Bill) is profitable with his black box indicators. The reason why I dont like this room, is just that, blackbox subscription indicators . What if I am successful in his room, and I quit my day job. Then I'm making a living solely in his trading room. Then what happens if Bill and EOTProLive goes away? out of business? or he decides to shut it down? then what am I left with? I'm left with no day job, no EOTProLive and no blackbox indicators? I'll be living on the streets. Thats my main concern.....

Originally posted by MonkeyMeat

And I'm hoping/trusting that these posts commenting on vendors are not, nor devolve into, any self-interest of promoting a vendor beyond REAL experience and documentation as I referred to. (btw, never end a sentence with a preposition such as "to")

Better grammar: "...experience and documentation to which I referred."

And on that note I'd like to toss out the request to any and all ... which educator/vendor provides documented trading results that's definitely authentic ... something of at least 6 months and current.

That should be required in any industry before paying for a good or service, right?

Devon,

Are you still in Trisha's live trade room?
I bought the e-book and set-up my charts this weekend, and watched a few of her past webinars. From what I can see, the system looks safe and solid and should be profitable. What is you take on it? have you been consistently profitable in her trading room? I will start my 3-day trade room trial this monday. thanks!

Originally posted by devon

I trade using Trisha's set ups. She actually has made a few changes over the last couple of months and added a few additional set ups and I am so pleased with the results. I have tried so many different programs and spent thousands on things that don't work. She seems to truly want everyone to succeed, she sells the set ups for under $50 and will continually send out revisions to everyone who has ever purchased her ebook and does not charge a penny for doing this. She gives a free 3 days in her room when you get the eBook. I have stayed in her room, (which is really inexpensive as well)and I not only find her pointing out the set ups with entries helpful but she also goes over so much more during the day while waiting on trades. I truly could not be happier and would suggest this program for anyone of all levels.

Originally posted by MassiveCashTeam

Golf-Buf,

Saw the JPJ Trading site, looks like its about $400/mth for a market-profile system. I too would like to learn the market profile system, but yet to find a good one. The only one I have experienced is Channel-Trading.com

Seems like both these rooms enter trades and holding for some time to capture the longer potential intra day range. I dont know if I have a large enough account to trade like this. It could be a safer way to trade as oppose to scalping a few tics or points here and there, but yet to find a market profile trading site that I am comfortable with.

But $400/mth, yikes....but if u can make money, then that $400 is peanuts.....

It's $400/month for only 3 months. Basically they want $1200 flat fee for lifetime membership.
JPJ Trading was endorsed by longtime forum Member BruceM, so that says a lot, given how most members in this forum are skeptical of any trading service.

hhmmm, $1200 flat for lifetime, thats not bad at all....

Originally posted by phileo

Originally posted by MassiveCashTeam

Golf-Buf,

Saw the JPJ Trading site, looks like its about $400/mth for a market-profile system. I too would like to learn the market profile system, but yet to find a good one. The only one I have experienced is Channel-Trading.com

Seems like both these rooms enter trades and holding for some time to capture the longer potential intra day range. I dont know if I have a large enough account to trade like this. It could be a safer way to trade as oppose to scalping a few tics or points here and there, but yet to find a market profile trading site that I am comfortable with.

But $400/mth, yikes....but if u can make money, then that $400 is peanuts.....

It's $400/month for only 3 months. Basically they want $1200 flat fee for lifetime membership.
JPJ Trading was endorsed by longtime forum Member BruceM, so that says a lot, given how most members in this forum are skeptical of any trading service.

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Originally posted by hangten1

[quote]Originally posted by MassiveCashTeam

Great request, but I don't think there is an educator/vendor that does provide documented results but one. And this trading room, is not for me per the reasons I stated in my original post about my experience with a few trading rooms.

This is EOTProLive, when in the live trading room, upon request, he immediately shows several NinjaTrader performance profit graphs (daily, weekly, monthly etc). He is not shy in pointing out his daily/weekly losses. Overall, he (Bill) is profitable with his black box indicators. The reason why I dont like this room, is just that, blackbox subscription indicators . What if I am successful in his room, and I quit my day job. Then I'm making a living solely in his trading room. Then what happens if Bill and EOTProLive goes away? out of business? or he decides to shut it down? then what am I left with? I'm left with no day job, no EOTProLive and no blackbox indicators? I'll be living on the streets. Thats my main concern.....
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I've read your posts - you have subscribed to every trading service on the internet and rarely spend more than a month with each one...I'd worry more about your lack of committment than I would about what happens after you quit your day job. In fact, don't ever quit your day job.