The Trading Zoo

I've started this topic because I am under the impression that ahk works with The Trading Zoo and he is active on this forum and may be able to provide information and comments about this service.

I believe that it will be constructive to have a topic/thread dedicated to The Trading Zoo so that the merits of this service can be discussed in isolation to the other topics which have collectively dealt with several trading services in the same topic including The Trading Zoo.

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Originally posted by day trading

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Originally posted by ahk

Sold 38.75 this a.m. First time ever I'm holding entire position overnight, because this looks very compelling.

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From earlier in this thread
Dated 01/02/2007 6:36am

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That's it? You're saying that should satisfy people who are considering joining the Zoo? What about my CFTC question?

Aaron: I think that people will want to know if those were real or hypothetical trades. Which were they?

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Originally posted by day trading

I have an idea that may resolve this. If there is anybody who wants to join the Trading Zoo and is in any doubt about the authenticity of the trades they can send Aaron Kelly and Sam Braun seperate emails listing the trades that each of them took and ask them to confirm by return email or letter that these trades were actually taken and were not hypothetical or simulated trades. In the case where a number of contracts was quoted that could also be included.

This is what the CFTC is trying to get at with many of the rulings that they make. They want the vendors to differentiate between paper trades and actual trades in order not to mislead buyers of the systems.

Aaron: What do you think of this idea?

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I'd be happy to speak to anyone who has interest in learning more about the Zoo.

Final Summary of the Trading Zoo Service Trial

Dates: Monday 1/08/2007 through Friday 1/12/2007

Market Traded: CME E-Mini S&P 500 Futures, Symbol: ES H7

Total Number of Trades = 19

Total Number of Contracts = 164

Total Number of Winning Trades = 11

Total Number of Losing Trades = 3

Total Number of Break-Even Trades = 5

Total Profit in ES Ticks = 520 ES Ticks

Total Loss in ES Ticks = 158 ES Ticks


% wins = 58 %

% loss = 16 %

% break-even = 26 %


Gross Profit = Total Profit - Total Loss = 520 ticks - 158 ticks = + 362 ES Ticks

Profit per contract = Gross Profit / total contracts = 362 ticks / 164 contracts = 2.2 ES Ticks per contract

Average Contracts per Trade = total contracts / total trades = 164 / 19 = 8.6 ES contracts per trade

Average Profit per Trade = Gross Profit / total trades = 362 ticks / 19 trades = 19.1 ES Ticks per trade

Average Trades per Day = 19 trades / 5 days = 3.8 trades per day

Profit Factor = win / loss ratio = Total Profit / Total Loss = 520 ticks / 158 ticks = 3.3


Consecutive Wins = 3

Consecutive Losses = 2

Maximum Loss = - 32 ES Ticks

Maximum Total Draw-down = - 40 ES ticks

Maximum Draw-down as a percentage of Profit = Total DD / Total Profit = 40 ticks / 520 ticks = 7.7 %

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Originally posted by day trading

Aaron: I think that people will want to know if those were real or hypothetical trades. Which were they?

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ahk: Why are you unable to answer this one simple question?

He's wasted no time....look what he's doing at another forum...

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62221&perpage=6&pagenumber=2

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Aaron: I think that people will want to know if those were real or hypothetical trades. Which were they?

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ahk: Why are you unable to answer this one simple question?

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ahk: There is only one logical conclusion that a person can deduct from your inability to answer this question and that is that you did not take those trades at the beginning on this year as you stated that you did. Am I being unreasonable or illogical in drawing this conclusion?

In another thread day trading draws your attention to the CFTC rulings and what is expected from a vendor. So far you have not answered that thread either. It even looks like day trading was offering to protect you by changing your postings.

My opinions of support (which I have not always expressed) had been on your side for a while but it seems that Bruce was right all along. I am very surprised because you were credible for a while.

I have a question for any member of the Trading Zoo about an aparent contradiction highlighted by bruce and max. On the trading zoo web site it says:

We are not here to teach you how to scalp. We have a better use for your money-donate it to the “Save the Children” fund. Scalping is the fastest, surest way to lose money in the stock market. By the time you decide to scalp, I’m already peeling off half a position to you and moving my stops to break even.

In max's review it says:

3. underlying method premise—difficult to determine. guru called out trades with bizarre names like “zoodrink, zoonet, zoomap, turtle, piglet, lion, falcon and snake” making it impossible for visitors to decipher. i found it amusing but effective. methodology uses no indicators other than roach, a scalping tool that semed very reliable in identifying short term trends. guru repeated many times that “price action” was key to successful trading.

So which is it? The fastest, surest way to lose money or reliable trend identification tool?

Now do not go misunderstanding me here. I am not attacking the Zoo. I am looking for clarification. To be honest I would not have noticed it if max and bruce had not mentioned it.

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Originally posted by elite trader

I have a question for any member of the Trading Zoo about an aparent contradiction highlighted by bruce and max. On the trading zoo web site it says:

We are not here to teach you how to scalp. We have a better use for your money-donate it to the “Save the Children” fund. Scalping is the fastest, surest way to lose money in the stock market. By the time you decide to scalp, I’m already peeling off half a position to you and moving my stops to break even.

In max's review it says:

3. underlying method premise—difficult to determine. guru called out trades with bizarre names like “zoodrink, zoonet, zoomap, turtle, piglet, lion, falcon and snake” making it impossible for visitors to decipher. i found it amusing but effective. methodology uses no indicators other than roach, a scalping tool that semed very reliable in identifying short term trends. guru repeated many times that “price action” was key to successful trading.

So which is it? The fastest, surest way to lose money or reliable trend identification tool?

Now do not go misunderstanding me here. I am not attacking the Zoo. I am looking for clarification. To be honest I would not have noticed it if max and bruce had not mentioned it.

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elite i noticed the same thing in my due diligence and got an answer from a room member. other than ahk there doesnt seem to be any zoo folks posting. do you mind if i post what i was told? if not no hard feelings.

max

Sure - go ahead and post it. That is why I asked the question.

For what it's worth, I was an original Trading Zoo student. Sam Baum's system was dangerous, all counter-trend with short profit targets with larger invisible stops.

A few of us students started out own Skype room to ignore the teacher's setups but rather take in his priceless information regarding the e-mini, which alone was worth the $6,000 as I gained a true understanding of how to read and trade ANY liquid market. I think one of the traders using our new modified trend setups with trailing stops actually sent someone his trading statements to someone on another forum years ago which shut the naysayer up quick.

Anyways, Trading Zoo is back but run by some of the traders who have been successful for over the past 6 years using our modified system.
I want to personally promote this because of all the original TradingZoo did for me.